Posts by Giles Gray

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meeting with elders about WT involvement in UN

by LevelThePlayingField in

i still go to the meetings because of my in wife and it came about that the elders knew of my pissed off attitude about the society getting involved in the un.

so the elders said they could help me get over that and wanted to meet with me.

now just to let you know, i have only told my wife and her mom so far about it, that's it.

Giles Gray

If you are worried about being labelled an apostate then just talking about the UN will be a huge mistake.

If the elders coming to see you do any kind of research on line, they will see that the UN issue is a favourite among apostates. You are therefore already at great risk of being accused of being one.

If you flash a UN letter under their noses, you will be hauled before a judicial committee quicker than you can say 'repentance'.

The fact they know you have been talking to either your wife or her mother has probably already put you in the position of actually being an apostate.

If you don't want to get booted out, it would be advisable for you to downplay what you know and keep all the information about the UN to yourself.

Best of luck on that one...

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Can’t cope with being disfellowshipped…..Need some advice

by xxBettyBoopxx in

this site is great, i have been lurking for a while now.

but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.

tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.

Giles Gray

If you need that much attention you really are a sad case indeed.
Get ready for the tears and phony apologies.

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[Generic evolution vs. creation thread]

by sir82 in

jw
friends

to save us all a lot of time and effort..... [some complex structure in living organisms described].

[i can't imagine how this could be the product of evolution].

[therefore god created it].

Giles Gray

[You just don't want to believe in god because you are selfish. You know he exists really]

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I think this is an important question...

by The Rebel in

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friends

when i first met my wife and on that so important first date i was 21 years old and sadly broke, she was an 18 year old au pair.

any way i treated her to mcdonald's but she had to pay for the meal.

now over 20 years later and still together, i realize how lucky i was she didn't say on that first date " if you can't afford to pay "our" mcdonald's meal f...off" .

Giles Gray

The Rebel-"That was option B) equally split."

'Split equally' is putting both bills together and dividing by two, which may or may not be fair depending on how much either person eats.

Each person paying for their own meal means each person only pays for what they personally eat or drink.

Can make for a much cheaper date.

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I think this is an important question...

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

when i first met my wife and on that so important first date i was 21 years old and sadly broke, she was an 18 year old au pair.

any way i treated her to mcdonald's but she had to pay for the meal.

now over 20 years later and still together, i realize how lucky i was she didn't say on that first date " if you can't afford to pay "our" mcdonald's meal f...off" .

Giles Gray

How about option D) each person pays their own bill.

McDonald's...! You could have at least taken her to Wimpy's.

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Can’t cope with being disfellowshipped…..Need some advice

by xxBettyBoopxx in

this site is great, i have been lurking for a while now.

but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.

tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.

Giles Gray

NVR2L8-" Alarm bells..."a burning hell where people suffer for eternity" is a belief contrary to the JW doctrine...just saying."

Yes... Just waiting now for the controversial 'evolution' thread.

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Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

by shadow in

evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

Giles Gray

xxBBxx-" Some posters can get awfully heated and upset."

Especially when they find they are talking to trolls.

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Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

by shadow in

evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

Giles Gray

Where's the Fur?

It's still there. How do you explain why some people are ludicrously hairy?

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Evolution vs Creation.

by The Rebel in

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friends

looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.

q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.

i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.

Giles Gray

The Rebel-" What makes a poster feel qualified to comment with absolute authority on any subject?"

I'm not so sure they do?

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Download Raymond Franz PDF Books Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom

by Tenacious in

for those who've never read these incredible books by our friend ray franz.. here are links for both.

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happy reading!.

Giles Gray

JeffT

I sympathise with your perspective but I think it's a bit unfair to claim that people "care so little about ownership".

Most people wishing to purchase these books I'm sure would be happy to respect any copyright.

A lot of these people are hurt, damaged and desperate, so much so that the price of CoC on Amazon starts from £99.31.... the most expensive is £378.99.

That price indicates two things...

*that people are truely desperate to read these books

*and it shows they are willing to pay for the ability to read these books.

If someone was exploiting the situation for financial gain I could wholeheartedly agree with you. As it stands, no one is benifiting financially out of this... not even the owner sadly.